Thread:Deathstalker666/@comment-1915529-20140702204420/@comment-3547390-20141030014914

Yeah, you can't get on the fireplace. Honestly, I was more obsessed with getting on the door handles. A lot of rope arrowing for nothing... lol.

Well, he could possibly make money because he is a god. However, money is unnatural unless they are nuggets of gold. Plus, if he was going to do that, why not just make the house himself? Build your walls of dead stone, build your roof of dead wood.

Yeah, the second time around is definitely more fun. Re-playability manages to go up instead of down due to the complexity of the world. Haunted Cathedral is a decent level, though definitely not one of my favorites (I could say the same about anything Thief 1 vs Thief 2 though).

You probably missed the one in Keepers Training. It is a lot smaller but can be pretty fun. Of course, it is hard to stumble upon it and it is more likely you will find out about it online. You have to time it, which is rather hard when you don't know what you are doing.

Ah, now I see you understand the Thief lore :). Yes, the Metal Age came about because Garrett killed the Trickster (with one side weakened, the other side could easily slip in and assume power). The Keepers tried keeping the balance, while Garrett played for his own interests (though the Keepers allowed him to do such due to it being foretold that the balance would eventually be preserved again due to Garrett himself being a scale without knowing it). This means that Garrett messed up the world and had to fix it in the Metal Age.

As I said in the previous paragraph though, should Garrett have stayed imprisoned? Or was it inevitable that one side would gain power and that the scale would need to be kicked back, like a swinging pendulum, before eventually coming to rest in the center? "The Keepers would have done something to keep balance". But you have to remember the Keepers like inaction unless it becomes absolutely necessary. Freeing Garrett was an action, but is was less of an action than being the savior of the day.

The Keepers could not have acted. To act is to do which is in turn to disturb the balance as they would be picking a side. The essence of balance is detachment. To directly be involved would be to go against their beliefs. You played The Haunted Cathedral, so you should remember that the Keepers struggled to involve themselves with stopping the Trickster the first time around. Not only did they put forth a great effort to save the world, but a great effort to conceal the actions they did. Keeper Andrus came under scrutiny due to his actions if you recall by sealing the Trickster in the Elemental Wards he endangered the Keepers to being exposed. So no Keeper in their right mind was going to act again. This is why they specifically say that they were unable to be directly involved, because doing such would go against everything they stand for.

Yes, Karras is more of a bad guy. The Trickster is not evil. He may be evil to Garrett due to his actions (you often hate people that rip out one of your eyes) but he does not represent evil. The Trickster is simply chaos, nature, the symbolization and God of the natural world. He wished to return the world to the state that he would be in the most control, similar to the Builder. This means that the Builder and the Trickster, while conflicting Gods, are the same amount of evil or good.

Karras is more of a bad guy because he is simply a man believing himself to be higher than his God, the Builder. He practices heresy which preaches his name whilst he gets more and more obsessed with himself. The Trickster just wanted to change the world, Karras wanted to destroy all life for his robot children to survive. He is evil because he tried boosting himself up to a God due to his ability to create artificial intelligence, which he believed superior, whilst misleading his worshipers into destruction and feeling that they were fools for not understanding his beliefs.

The Trickster has numerous rhymes and whatnot written about him that describes what he is about. If you are a Pagan, you know that you are at the bottom of the totem pole and can be sacrificed for the higher beasts. Only few of the Mechanists assumed something was up due to Karras' use of double messages. The Mechanists knew enough that they thought the nobles were receiving retribution, they knew the nobles were going to die (listen to Vilnia's rant about the nobles' death). The Mechanists never assumed they were going to die with all the others, either because they thought they would be saved by being in Soulforge or just didn't realize how powerful the rust gas was going to be (I believe the latter).

Wow... I have a lot to say when talking about Thief, don't I? I guess it would be like you talking about Dark Forces :P.

By the way Raadec, how detailed do you think Karras went when modeling his own eye for Garrett (we all know for a fact that Karras would do this based on his love for himself)? Do you think they look exactly alike and if so, what was the procedure Karras used on modeling his own eye? I doubt, based on his own ego and what was written in Soulforge, that he would allow any other Hammerite to be part of this procedure.

Dominus, I have yet to play Deadly Shadows. It is on my list, but I have to get through a lot of FMs first.